Kitten swallowed toy mouse tail. Any advice?

[Morac]

I just adopted 2 kittens and the people at the sheltor said they liked
toy mice so I picked out some with their help. The toy mice are only
about 1.5 inches long, but they have a 2.5 inch by 1/8 inch flat tail.

Well I saw one of them playing with the toy mouse and picking it up
and carrying it around. It seemed to be holding up and the other one
needed my attention so I stepped away for about a minute. I came back
and my other kitten was now under the bed playing with a tailless
mouse!

I couldn't find the tail so I assume the kitten ate it. Like I said
it's flat, 2.5 inches long and around an 1/8 of an inch wide. It
seems to be made of a tough leather-like material.

I called a 24 hour animal emergency center and they told me to watch
for vomitting or if it stops eating. That would seem to indicate that
it isn't immediately life threatening.

The kitten is already suffering from diarrhea as it is (will this help
or harm?). Is there something else I can do to help the kitten pass
the tail? Should I confine the kitten to the litterbox area to
prevent vomitting elsewhere?

I was already planning on taking them to a vet as soon as I found one.
Should I rush and make an appointment and is there anything a vet
could do?

[Laura R.]

circa 31 Jul 2004 21:12:47 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,

Post by Morac
I just adopted 2 kittens and the people at the sheltor said they liked
toy mice so I picked out some with their help. The toy mice are only
about 1.5 inches long, but they have a 2.5 inch by 1/8 inch flat tail.
Well I saw one of them playing with the toy mouse and picking it up
and carrying it around. It seemed to be holding up and the other one
needed my attention so I stepped away for about a minute. I came back
and my other kitten was now under the bed playing with a tailless
mouse!
I couldn't find the tail so I assume the kitten ate it. Like I said
it's flat, 2.5 inches long and around an 1/8 of an inch wide. It
seems to be made of a tough leather-like material.
I called a 24 hour animal emergency center and they told me to watch
for vomitting or if it stops eating. That would seem to indicate that
it isn't immediately life threatening.
The kitten is already suffering from diarrhea as it is (will this help
or harm?). Is there something else I can do to help the kitten pass
the tail? Should I confine the kitten to the litterbox area to
prevent vomitting elsewhere?
I was already planning on taking them to a vet as soon as I found one.
Should I rush and make an appointment and is there anything a vet
could do?

Your best bet is to try to relax and to follow the directions given
to you by the emergency vet. If the cat ate the mouse tail (which may
or may not have happened), the odds are pretty good that it'll either
be digested or passed safely, given the short length of the "tail".
There's not much else you can do except watch the kitten as
recommended. If you should see the "tail", erm, exiting the kitten,
do not pull on it. Trim it if need be (blech), but don't pull.

Laura

[---MIKE---]

When I buy those mice, the first thing I do is cut off the tail and
remove the eyes and nose (they are usually pinned in). They are not
safe toys the way they come.


---MIKE---

[Sherry]

Post by ---MIKE---
When I buy those mice, the first thing I do is cut off the tail and
remove the eyes and nose (they are usually pinned in). They are not
safe toys the way they come.
---MIKE---

I do too, Mike, if I"m not there with them. They don't seem to care. I also
store them in a quart jar half full of catnip. So they marinate till the next
time I get them out. So the catnip smell makes the toy appealing whether it has
a tail or not.

Sherry

[PawsForThought]

Post by Morac
The kitten is already suffering from diarrhea as it is (will this help
or harm?).

This exact thing happened with my cat Mickey. But the tail was about 4 inches
long. Mickey was very lethargic and I immediately called an emergency place.
They told me the same thing your place told you. Then Mickey got horrible
diarrhea, and this actually helped. I watched him after that all night. He
started moving around, then actually wanted to play, and the next day he was
back to his old self. The problem is leather doesn't really break down. But I
kept watching the litterbox and never saw that Mickey had passed it. So I
think maybe he did break it down and it came out in tiny pieces in the
diarrhea.

Because your cat is a kitten, his stomach acids may not be strong enough to
break down the tail, so I would keep a sharp eye on him. I had given Mickey
some butter to help pass the tail.

Best of luck and let us know what happens.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[Phil P.]

Post by Morac
I just adopted 2 kittens and the people at the sheltor said they liked
toy mice so I picked out some with their help. The toy mice are only
about 1.5 inches long, but they have a 2.5 inch by 1/8 inch flat tail.
Well I saw one of them playing with the toy mouse and picking it up
and carrying it around. It seemed to be holding up and the other one
needed my attention so I stepped away for about a minute. I came back
and my other kitten was now under the bed playing with a tailless
mouse!
I couldn't find the tail so I assume the kitten ate it. Like I said
it's flat, 2.5 inches long and around an 1/8 of an inch wide. It
seems to be made of a tough leather-like material.
I called a 24 hour animal emergency center and they told me to watch
for vomitting or if it stops eating. That would seem to indicate that
it isn't immediately life threatening.

Obstructions of the stomach and upper part of the intestines will cause
vomiting. That is indeed life-threatening. By the time the kitten starts
showing symptoms, the material could already be tangled in the intestines.
Albeit the material may be short, kittens have small organs. A 2 1/2 piece
of material could easily become a linear foreign body that could pleat up a
portion of the intestine and also cut through the intestine wall leading to
the very serious condition of peritonitis.

Post by Morac
The kitten is already suffering from diarrhea as it is (will this help
or harm?).

An obstruction farther down the intestine might not cause any vomiting but
could lead to diarrhea. The kitten's present diarrhea could mask the
symptoms of a gastrointestinal obstruction.



Is there something else I can do to help the kitten pass

Post by Morac
the tail? Should I confine the kitten to the litterbox area to
prevent vomitting elsewhere?
I was already planning on taking them to a vet as soon as I found one.
Should I rush and make an appointment and is there anything a vet
could do?

Many times the cat passes the object without a problem - but sometimes they
don't. I always err on the side of extreme caution with kittens because
they're immature organs are very vulnerable to damage. In such cases, I'd
opt for an x-ray with contrast or ideally, an ultrasound. To my mind, $150
is a cheap price to pay for the peace of mind.

Its your call.

Phil

[SBroad2300]

"This, too, shall pass."

[Morac]

Post by Phil P.

Post by Morac
I called a 24 hour animal emergency center and they told me to watch
for vomitting or if it stops eating. That would seem to indicate that
it isn't immediately life threatening.

Obstructions of the stomach and upper part of the intestines will cause
vomiting. That is indeed life-threatening. By the time the kitten starts
showing symptoms, the material could already be tangled in the intestines.
Albeit the material may be short, kittens have small organs. A 2 1/2 piece
of material could easily become a linear foreign body that could pleat up a
portion of the intestine and also cut through the intestine wall leading to
the very serious condition of peritonitis.

Well it's been almost 24 hours and I haven't seen any vomitting, but I
also haven't seen the tail in the litterbox. I'm not sure how long it
would take to pass through (I was told a day or two depending on the
diet). I'm also not sure if I would recognize it if I see it (should
it look more or less the same or would it look more like feces?).

I've only had them since Friday evening so it's hard to judge what is
normal for them, but the kitten was playing, eating and drinking this
morning on par with what it did yesterday. It was mewing more which I
thought was strange because for the most part both kittens don't
"speak" (they do on occasion when confused or frightened), but it
didn't seem to be in any pain or discomfort.

This particular kitten tolerates me, but doesn't like when I approach
it making it difficult to examine. They seem to sleep between around
10 am and 7 and 8 pm and they both did so today. I just checked on
them and they are both semi-awake, but are just sitting there.
Normally when they finally get up they go eat and do their business so
I'll watch to see if the kitten does so.

Unfortunately I can't watch it tomorrow since I need to go to work.
Though I would think I would see some kind of sign by tomorrow
morning. How long would it take for symptoms to appear after
ingesting something?

Since it is Sunday the local vets were closed so I'll have to call one
tomorrow.

[Phil P.]

Post by Morac

Post by Phil P.

Post by Morac
I called a 24 hour animal emergency center and they told me to watch
for vomitting or if it stops eating. That would seem to indicate that
it isn't immediately life threatening.

Obstructions of the stomach and upper part of the intestines will cause
vomiting. That is indeed life-threatening. By the time the kitten starts
showing symptoms, the material could already be tangled in the intestines.
Albeit the material may be short, kittens have small organs. A 2 1/2 piece
of material could easily become a linear foreign body that could pleat up a
portion of the intestine and also cut through the intestine wall leading to
the very serious condition of peritonitis.

Well it's been almost 24 hours and I haven't seen any vomitting, but I
also haven't seen the tail in the litterbox. I'm not sure how long it
would take to pass through (I was told a day or two depending on the
diet).

Hopefully, that's all it will take. However, some cats have a partial or
"floating" obstructions where some material is still passing, this makes an
accurate diagnosis even more difficult. A partial obstruction could persist
for weeks before its finally diagnosed.

I'm also not sure if I would recognize it if I see it (should

Post by Morac
it look more or less the same or would it look more like feces?).

If the object was "tough leather-like material", I doubt it would dissolve.
Once it becomes saturated, it may curl up into a ball and be excreted in a
stool or it might come out as a string.

Post by Morac
I've only had them since Friday evening so it's hard to judge what is
normal for them, but the kitten was playing, eating and drinking this
morning on par with what it did yesterday. It was mewing more which I
thought was strange because for the most part both kittens don't
"speak" (they do on occasion when confused or frightened), but it
didn't seem to be in any pain or discomfort.

That's a good sign.

Post by Morac
This particular kitten tolerates me, but doesn't like when I approach
it making it difficult to examine. They seem to sleep between around
10 am and 7 and 8 pm and they both did so today. I just checked on
them and they are both semi-awake, but are just sitting there.
Normally when they finally get up they go eat and do their business so
I'll watch to see if the kitten does so.
Unfortunately I can't watch it tomorrow since I need to go to work.
Though I would think I would see some kind of sign by tomorrow
morning. How long would it take for symptoms to appear after
ingesting something?

Usu­ally, the signs of GI obstruction are of acute onset. But as I said
earlier, a partial obstruction could take weeks to diagnosis.

Post by Morac
Since it is Sunday the local vets were closed so I'll have to call one
tomorrow.

As I said, in most cases the cat passes the material without any problems.
However, due to the kitten's smaller organ size, I'd advise erring on the
side of extreme caution.

Good luck.

Phil

[Morac]

I hope I'm not interrupting the flamefest, but I have an update.

Post by Phil P.
As I said, in most cases the cat passes the material without any problems.
However, due to the kitten's smaller organ size, I'd advise erring on the
side of extreme caution.
Good luck.
Phil

Well I can't tell if it passed it or not, but I know it did go to the
bathroom today (though it's stool was soft) and it has not vomitted
which seems to indicate that food is passing through the cat.

I think it has other problems though. It's been sneezing a lot, it's
eyes are all bloodshot red, I think it stopped or severely cut back on
eating and drinking and I blood appeared on the side of a paper bag I
had lying down in a pattern that looks like it was sneezed out (not
sure from which cat it came, but I assume it was from the sick one) .
The kitten also seems to not be playing though it will still run short
distances.

All in all not good signs. I'm going to try and squeeze in an
appointment tomorrow.

The weird thing is that it doesn't seem to be in any pain. It's
become very affectionate and still can run around. It just doesn't
seem hungry, thirsty or playful. I'm guessing it has an infection
(the other kitten was recovering from a respiratory infection I
believe).

Could the tail have caused any of these symptoms?

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Morac
Well I can't tell if it passed it or not, but I know it did go to the
bathroom today (though it's stool was soft) and it has not vomitted
which seems to indicate that food is passing through the cat.
I think it has other problems though. It's been sneezing a lot, it's
eyes are all bloodshot red, I think it stopped or severely cut back on
eating and drinking and I blood appeared on the side of a paper bag I
had lying down in a pattern that looks like it was sneezed out (not
sure from which cat it came, but I assume it was from the sick one) .
The kitten also seems to not be playing though it will still run short
distances.
All in all not good signs. I'm going to try and squeeze in an
appointment tomorrow.

I definitely think you should do this. Explain the symptoms, & see if they
can get you in, right away. Good luck w/ him (her?).

Cathy

Post by Morac
The weird thing is that it doesn't seem to be in any pain. It's
become very affectionate and still can run around. It just doesn't
seem hungry, thirsty or playful. I'm guessing it has an infection
(the other kitten was recovering from a respiratory infection I
believe).
Could the tail have caused any of these symptoms?

[Cat Protector]

A cat is not an it.

Post by Morac
Well I can't tell if it passed it or not, but I know it did go to the
bathroom today (though it's stool was soft) and it has not vomitted
which seems to indicate that food is passing through the cat.
I think it has other problems though. It's been sneezing a lot, it's
eyes are all bloodshot red, I think it stopped or severely cut back on
eating and drinking and I blood appeared on the side of a paper bag I
had lying down in a pattern that looks like it was sneezed out (not
sure from which cat it came, but I assume it was from the sick one) .
The kitten also seems to not be playing though it will still run short
distances.
All in all not good signs. I'm going to try and squeeze in an
appointment tomorrow.
The weird thing is that it doesn't seem to be in any pain. It's
become very affectionate and still can run around. It just doesn't
seem hungry, thirsty or playful. I'm guessing it has an infection
(the other kitten was recovering from a respiratory infection I
believe).
Could the tail have caused any of these symptoms?

[Phil P.]

Post by Morac
I hope I'm not interrupting the flamefest, but I have an update.

As you can see, there're a few assholes who thrive on flame wars more
than helping cats. This is just one more thread Cathy and her wretched
hive have ruined.

If you want to avoid the newsgroup politics and bullsh!t, you can join
my Yahoo Feline Health group:

Feline_Health_and_Behavior-***@yahoogroups.com

Our group doesn't tolerate the newsgroup nonsense. Our one and only
priority is cats.

Post by Morac

Post by Phil P.
As I said, in most cases the cat passes the material without any problems.
However, due to the kitten's smaller organ size, I'd advise erring on the
side of extreme caution.
Good luck.
Phil

Well I can't tell if it passed it or not, but I know it did go to the
bathroom today (though it's stool was soft) and it has not vomitted
which seems to indicate that food is passing through the cat.

A partial obstruction will still allow some food to pass. Also, if the
obstruction is farther down the intestine it might not cause any
vomiting at all but it might lead to diarrhea that may or may not be
bloody. A lower obstruction could also cause a loss of appetite.

Post by Morac
I think it has other problems though. It's been sneezing a lot, it's
eyes are all bloodshot red, I think it stopped or severely cut back on
eating and drinking

The kitten may have an upper respiratory infection and can't smell her
food. Cats are attracted to food by their sense of smell rather than
taste. A cat won't eat what she can't smell. Try heating up her food to
about 90-95 degrees. Heated food is more aromatic which might stimulate
her to eat. Heated food is also more palatable.

Dehydration is life-threatening and a *critical* concern. Kittens
dehydrate very quickly and *must* be kept hydrated. I think you should
get the kitten to a vet as soon as possible, she probably needs fluid
therapy.



and I blood appeared on the side of a paper bag I

Post by Morac
had lying down in a pattern that looks like it was sneezed out (not
sure from which cat it came, but I assume it was from the sick one) .
The kitten also seems to not be playing though it will still run short
distances.
All in all not good signs. I'm going to try and squeeze in an
appointment tomorrow.

I would make sure the kitten sees a vet as soon as possible.

Post by Morac
The weird thing is that it doesn't seem to be in any pain. It's
become very affectionate and still can run around. It just doesn't
seem hungry, thirsty or playful. I'm guessing it has an infection
(the other kitten was recovering from a respiratory infection I
believe).
Could the tail have caused any of these symptoms?

The symptoms could be a result of a combination of a URI and partial GI
obstruction. I would opt for x-rays, at least, as soon as possible.
The tail may not show up on x-rays without a contrast agent, but organ
abnormalities caused by the tail should show up.

The kitten probably needs fluid replacement immediately - she can't
drink enough to replace the water deficit and meet her daily water
needs. So please get the kitten to a vet as soon as possible.

Best of luck.

Phil

[PawsForThought]

Post by Morac
I think it has other problems though. It's been sneezing a lot, it's
eyes are all bloodshot red, I think it stopped or severely cut back on
eating and drinking and I blood appeared on the side of a paper bag I
had lying down in a pattern that looks like it was sneezed out (not
sure from which cat it came, but I assume it was from the sick one) .
The kitten also seems to not be playing though it will still run short
distances.

Your kitten definitely needs to be seen by a vet now.

Post by Morac
The weird thing is that it doesn't seem to be in any pain.

It's very hard sometimes to tell whether or not a cat is in pain because often
they won't show it. I really recommend getting him into the vet as soon as you
can. Good luck and keep us posted.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[Fan]

Post by Morac
I hope I'm not interrupting the flamefest, but I have an update.

Post by Phil P.
As I said, in most cases the cat passes the material without any problems.
However, due to the kitten's smaller organ size, I'd advise erring on the
side of extreme caution.
Good luck.
Phil

Well I can't tell if it passed it or not, but I know it did go to the
bathroom today (though it's stool was soft) and it has not vomitted
which seems to indicate that food is passing through the cat.
I think it has other problems though. It's been sneezing a lot, it's
eyes are all bloodshot red, I think it stopped or severely cut back on
eating and drinking and I blood appeared on the side of a paper bag I
had lying down in a pattern that looks like it was sneezed out (not
sure from which cat it came, but I assume it was from the sick one) .
The kitten also seems to not be playing though it will still run short
distances.
All in all not good signs. I'm going to try and squeeze in an
appointment tomorrow.
The weird thing is that it doesn't seem to be in any pain. It's
become very affectionate and still can run around. It just doesn't
seem hungry, thirsty or playful. I'm guessing it has an infection
(the other kitten was recovering from a respiratory infection I
believe).
Could the tail have caused any of these symptoms?

This sounds like Upper Resperatory Infection, URI. We see a LOT of
that in shelter cats. It is nicknamed "kitty cold" because it has some
similar symptoms. Sneezing, loss of appitite, listlessness, watering
eyes, material coming out the nose when sneezing are all consistant
with URI.

Some people believe that it will go away in a couple of weeks or so,
and therefore it is not necessary to treat. Others think some
treatment is appropriate to reduce the discomfort and severity of the
problem. At my shelter, we put the cat into an isolation room where it
is relatively quiet and give them give Doxycycline (spelling ?) and
special food. They always have fresh water available, where ever they
are kept, that is always important.

I had a vet give me some Chinese herbs to use one time. This vet was
into holistic care, acupuncture, and other alternative medicine. The
cat got better, but there is no way of knowing if the herbs helped or
not.

Eating is a problem with this condition. An adult cat can handle a day
or two without food. A kitten is another story. We don't like to see
them off of food for more than 12 hours at the most. They have a hard
time tolerating being without. It is geting very serious if they are
off food for more than 12 hours. Please plan a vet visit with that in
mind, should they stop eating.

This is extremely contagous and if one has it, you can bet the other
will also get it if he/she doesn't already have it. The symptoms could
be mild enough that you wouldn't see them. You should consider
separating them so you can monitor the food intake and the stools of
each one. It would be bad if one was not eating, but you assumed they
were because the food is disappearing. It also would tell you who is
sneezing up blood.

We give them a warmed mixture of food that includes fresh chicken and
canned cat food in flavors that are more likely to entice them to eat.
Not eating is a major problem. Since they can't smell the food as much
it is not appealing. If it is not appealing, they don't eat it. Not
eating makes them weaker and sicker.

We monitor their eating closely. If they don't eat, even the canned
food we try more creative approaches. This includes a smorgasboard of
flavors and warming the food so it will smell stronger. The most
typical favorite is the fish flavors. Tuna, sardeen and trout seem to
be the most widely accepted ones. Some cats will not eat any fish so
we next try canned chicken cat food.

In extreme cases, the volunteers have been known to go to the grocery
store and buy fresh chicken and fish and cook it in the microwave.
This is instead of the fresh chicken that has been mixed into the food
already. The expense and time for this comes out of their pocket, and
fortunately it is almost never necessary. The cats prefer a brisk
burgandy with this dish. Okay, just kidding about the wine part of it
:-)

As an aside, I understand there is a vacine available to prevent URI.
There is also some speculation that having URI, anything in a cat's
life, can cause some problems in later life. I do not know the
accuracy of this theory. Also, I would assume that any cat that came
through a shelter has at least been exposed to URI, it is that
previlent.

[DL Farnworth]

"Morac" <morac99-***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
...
I assume the kitten ate it.
...

The tails can enwrap the intestines. Very probably
won't. 10-20 toy mice/yr spread among 6-9 cats over 10
years has produced a lot of tailless mice but no
incidents.

But where do all these little mice get to? I throw
some out when the skin covering begins to decay. But
most of them just seem to vanish. Some reappear when a
hoard of 10 or so turn up at Spring cleaning. But the
rest, where are they?

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by DL Farnworth
But where do all these little mice get to? I throw
some out when the skin covering begins to decay. But
most of them just seem to vanish. Some reappear when a
hoard of 10 or so turn up at Spring cleaning. But the
rest, where are they?

In places you will never discover. Black holes for cats' toy mice.

Cathy

[Suzie-Q]

In article <94bPc.5823$***@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"DL Farnworth" <***@spoof.earthlink.net> wrote:

-> "Morac" <morac99-***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
-> news:***@posting.google.com...
-> ...
-> I assume the kitten ate it.
-> ...
->
-> The tails can enwrap the intestines. Very probably
-> won't. 10-20 toy mice/yr spread among 6-9 cats over 10
-> years has produced a lot of tailless mice but no
-> incidents.
->
-> But where do all these little mice get to? I throw
-> some out when the skin covering begins to decay. But
-> most of them just seem to vanish. Some reappear when a
-> hoard of 10 or so turn up at Spring cleaning. But the
-> rest, where are they?


Orbiting Saturn, along with lost luggage.

[mango]

Post by Morac
...
I assume the kitten ate it.
...
The tails can enwrap the intestines. Very probably
won't.

Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail will be
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap the
kitten's intestine from the inside.

Probably all that will happen is the kitten will eventually poop the tail
out.

[Phil P.]

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail will be
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap the
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.

Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then causes
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material. The
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move in
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and can't
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad direction
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear object
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually multiple
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.

Phil

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail will be
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap the
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then causes
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material. The
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move in
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and can't
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad direction
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear object
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually multiple
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be C&Ped -
from what source?

Cathy

[PawsForThought]

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail will

be

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap

the

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then

causes

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material. The
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move in
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and

can't

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad direction
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear object
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually multiple
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be C&Ped -
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could have put
it in his own words rather than C&P.
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[Phil P.]

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail will

be

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap

the

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then

causes

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material. The
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move in
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and

can't

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad direction
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear object
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually multiple
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be C&Ped -
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could have put
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

[PawsForThought]

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be

C&Ped -

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could have

put

Post by PawsForThought
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

I would be willing to be 99% didn't know what the heck you were talking about.
Perhaps if you posted in your own words instead of always copying from websites
or books it would be more helpful, if in fact being helpful was what you were
trying to do....
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[DienkyDau]

Post by PawsForThought
I would be willing to be 99% didn't know what the heck you were talking about.

As I said, don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you.

"Peristalsis" was a new one for you, eh? What force do you think helps
you defecate... gravity? LOL!

See? I taught you something new... again!

Your five minutes are up, too.

[PawsForThought]

Post by PawsForThought

Post by PawsForThought
I would be willing to be 99% didn't know what the heck you were talking

about.
As I said, don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you.
"Peristalsis" was a new one for you, eh? What force do you think helps
you defecate... gravity? LOL!
See? I taught you something new... again!
Your five minutes are up, too.

As if you could teach anything! All you do is copy and paste. You don't know
anything else. I see you changed your email addy. Trying to bypass people's
killfiles? LOL!
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[Karen]

Does this *always* have to happen? Yeesh guys. You act like this is all new.
Hope kitten is OK. I would bet money the kitten did not actually swallow the
tail.

Karen

[Phil P.]

Post by Karen
Does this *always* have to happen?

You gotta laugh, though. I do. Its always the same frustrated hags who
start the arguments with me. LOL!

[Karen]

Post by Phil P.

Post by Karen
Does this *always* have to happen?

You gotta laugh, though. I do. Its always the same frustrated hags who
start the arguments with me. LOL!

It takes two to tango is what my mom always taught me. I just hate seeing
this tired old flame thread start up all over the place again. Guess I'll
take off for a while.

[Mary]

Post by Karen

Post by Phil P.

Post by Karen
Does this *always* have to happen?

You gotta laugh, though. I do. Its always the same frustrated hags who
start the arguments with me. LOL!

It takes two to tango is what my mom always taught me. I just hate seeing
this tired old flame thread start up all over the place again. Guess I'll
take off for a while.

If you do I will miss your posts. However, Usenet is
not for the thin-skinned. People vent. It's nothing
personal 99% of the time.

[Karen]

Post by Mary

Post by Karen

Post by Phil P.

Post by Karen
Does this *always* have to happen?

You gotta laugh, though. I do. Its always the same frustrated hags who
start the arguments with me. LOL!

It takes two to tango is what my mom always taught me. I just hate seeing
this tired old flame thread start up all over the place again. Guess I'll
take off for a while.

If you do I will miss your posts. However, Usenet is
not for the thin-skinned. People vent. It's nothing
personal 99% of the time.

Honey, it ain't thin skinnedness. It's tired after 4 years of watching these
people battle instead of helping cats get better. Once these flame threads
start, it's just a waste of time in here. I still look for the poor souls
who post and get no answers when everyone is in "battle mode", but in
general, this place becomes a wasteland shortly after threads, such as this
begin to flame with this entire bunch.

[Phil P.]

Post by Karen

Post by Phil P.

Post by Karen
Does this *always* have to happen?

You gotta laugh, though. I do. Its always the same frustrated hags who
start the arguments with me. LOL!

It takes two to tango is what my mom always taught me.

True, but its always the same self-righteous, sanctimonious,
holier-than-thou assholes who start the arguments that no one but themselves
really gives a shit about.

[Phil P.]

Post by PawsForThought

Post by PawsForThought

Post by PawsForThought
I would be willing to be 99% didn't know what the heck you were talking

about.
As I said, don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you.
"Peristalsis" was a new one for you, eh? What force do you think helps
you defecate... gravity? LOL!
See? I taught you something new... again!
Your five minutes are up, too.

Since you posted a link that links to my site, I'll give you another minute.

Post by PawsForThought
As if you could teach anything!

You cite my site enough times to prove I have taught you plenty!

Post by PawsForThought
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

Thanks for posting a link that links to my site!

" http://www.maxshouse.com -- a super-informative cat site"

....and that also links to another link (http://www.de-clawing.com/) that
links to my site:

" Max's House is not strictly a declawing site; it's an "everything" site
about cat health and cat care, as well as the home base for a wonderful
animal rescue organization. You could easily spend weeks perusing all the
useful articles at Max's House. The declawing section illustrates the
surgery in detail, and warns of the many physical and emotional problems
that can occur when cats are deprived of their first line of defense and
everyday mobility aid. "

I only need 28,000 more visitors to break 3,000,000 for the year. With your
unintentional and oblivious help, I'll surely reach my goal. Doesn't that
make you feel just peachy? LOL!

[-L. :]

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail

will
be

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap

the

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then

causes

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material. The
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move

in

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and

can't

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad

direction

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear

object

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually

multiple

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be

C&Ped -

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could have

put

Post by PawsForThought
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

Bingo. The terms you used are simple first-year anatomy and
physiology terms used in just about any college course. Sheesh! What
the hell is wrong with people?

-L.

[Phil P.]

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail

will
be

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap

the

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then

causes

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material.

The

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move

in

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and

can't

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad

direction

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear

object

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually

multiple

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be

C&Ped -

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could have

put

Post by PawsForThought
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

Bingo. The terms you used are simple first-year anatomy and
physiology terms used in just about any college course. Sheesh! What
the hell is wrong with people?

Tell me about it! "Pylorus" and "peristalsis" are high school biology
terms!

This was nothing; a few years ago, you should have seen the huge flame war
Cathy started over my use of the word "cystocentesis" - even though other
people have used the same term! LOL!

The silly twit always makes some ridiculous remark every time I (and *only*
me) use a medical term. She jumps on every opportunity to criticize me
because I flame broiled her 6 years ago for declawing her cat. LOL!

If you want a laugh, Google the bimbo; you'll see about 50 of her posts to
me for every one of mine to her. Really.

Phil

[-L. :]

"Phil P." <***@maxshouse.com> wrote in message news:<q5qdnViDtrkZ45LcRVn-***@giganews.com>...
<snip>

Post by Phil P.
Tell me about it! "Pylorus" and "peristalsis" are high school biology
terms!
This was nothing; a few years ago, you should have seen the huge flame war
Cathy started over my use of the word "cystocentesis" - even though other
people have used the same term! LOL!
The silly twit always makes some ridiculous remark every time I (and *only*
me) use a medical term. She jumps on every opportunity to criticize me
because I flame broiled her 6 years ago for declawing her cat. LOL!
If you want a laugh, Google the bimbo; you'll see about 50 of her posts to
me for every one of mine to her. Really.
Phil

I seriously don't know why I even bother reading the cat groups
anymore. Always some nit picker or asshole has to make a stink. Too
bad bevcause I think there are some people who need info. and
appreciate it.

-L.

[Phil P.]

Post by -L. :
<snip>

Post by Phil P.
Tell me about it! "Pylorus" and "peristalsis" are high school biology
terms!
This was nothing; a few years ago, you should have seen the huge flame war
Cathy started over my use of the word "cystocentesis" - even though other
people have used the same term! LOL!
The silly twit always makes some ridiculous remark every time I (and *only*
me) use a medical term. She jumps on every opportunity to criticize me
because I flame broiled her 6 years ago for declawing her cat. LOL!
If you want a laugh, Google the bimbo; you'll see about 50 of her posts to
me for every one of mine to her. Really.
Phil

I seriously don't know why I even bother reading the cat groups
anymore. Always some nit picker or asshole has to make a stink. Too
bad bevcause I think there are some people who need info. and
appreciate it.
-L.

This isn't the first time Cathy has nitpicked my posts, that
resulted in many, many flame fests like this one. She's been doing it for
*years* even *after* I killfiled her. I finally killfiled the silly twit
after
I told her at least 50 times that I don't want her advice or criticism, and
if I ever did I'd ask her for it. But she
just kept at it... for *6* years! But she kept at it like a shark in a
mindless frenzy. Actually, I think she's obsessed with me; if she
wasn't, she'd just killfile me - but she doesn't - she goes on and on and on
like a chronic case of diarrhea. I'd bet she's still babbling on about it!
LOL!

I lost track of all the threads she's ruined and how much important
information was lost because of her petty and trivial distractions and in
the ensuing flame wars . She does it *intentionally* to
divert attention away from the information I provided. She's a teacher that
doesn't like to be taught! Ain't that a hoot! Yet she criticizes to no end
like a self--righteous, holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, obsessed twit that
she is.

I flame broiled her about 6 years ago for declawing her cat. She declawed
her cat because the cat was climbing her curtains and she was too lazy and
selfish to train the cat. It was easier for her to modify her cat, to the
point of multiple surgical amputations, to suit her environment than to
modify the environment to suit the cat. Her silly, lame justification
pissed me off almost as much as her declawing the cat!

Ever since then she's been jumping on every opportunity to nitpick my posts
and denigrate me - usually at the cost of valuable information for others
because the information gets buried in the flames. Then of course, the
other sheep
who I had arguments with follow her lead mindlessly . They can't attack
my information so they attack me in vengeance - out of the blue when I said
nothing to or about them.

In "real life" business and social circles, I never cross paths with
assholes like this; I wonder why?

Phil

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Phil P.
I flame broiled her about 6 years ago for declawing her cat.

Yeah, for a declaw that was done in '86. Said cat, Debbie, died of CRF 3
years ago, at the age of 16.

She declawed

Post by Phil P.
her cat because the cat was climbing her curtains and she was too lazy and
selfish to train the cat.

Phil has this curtain/drape thing which he keeps repeating but which has no
truth - where he got it from has always been beyond me.

Cathy

[Mary]

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
I flame broiled her about 6 years ago for declawing her cat.

Yeah, for a declaw that was done in '86. Said cat, Debbie, died of CRF 3
years ago, at the age of 16.
She declawed

Post by Phil P.
her cat because the cat was climbing her curtains and she was too lazy and
selfish to train the cat.

Phil has this curtain/drape thing which he keeps repeating but which has no
truth - where he got it from has always been beyond me.
Cathy

Cathy you may recall that I declawed my cat Gnarly some 20 years ago, before
I knew what it was. I regret it deeply, but at the time I thought it was
necessary. I have always appreciated it that most people here have not held
it against me. You cannot be the same person now as you were then.

[Phil P.]

Post by Mary

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
I flame broiled her about 6 years ago for declawing her cat.

Yeah, for a declaw that was done in '86. Said cat, Debbie, died of CRF 3
years ago, at the age of 16.
She declawed

Post by Phil P.
her cat because the cat was climbing her curtains and she was too lazy

and

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
selfish to train the cat.

Phil has this curtain/drape thing which he keeps repeating but which has

no

Post by Cathy Friedmann
truth - where he got it from has always been beyond me.

Bullshit.

Post by Mary

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Cathy

Cathy you may recall that I declawed my cat Gnarly some 20 years ago, before
I knew what it was. I regret it deeply, but at the time I thought it was
necessary. I have always appreciated it that most people here have not held
it against me.

Of course no one holds it against you. 90% of the people who had their cats
declawed had no idea what declawing involved. Many people were even
deliberately mislead by their vets into thinking declawing was little more
than a manicure.

Post by Mary
You cannot be the same person now as you were then.

But she is! She *still* says she's "on the fence about declawing".

Phil

[Mary]

"Phil P." <***@maxshouse.com> wrote > > You cannot be the same person now
as you were then.

Post by Phil P.
But she is! She *still* says she's "on the fence about declawing".

Cathy, is this true?

[PawsForThought]

Post by Mary

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
I flame broiled her about 6 years ago for declawing her cat.

Yeah, for a declaw that was done in '86. Said cat, Debbie, died of CRF 3
years ago, at the age of 16.
She declawed

Post by Phil P.
her cat because the cat was climbing her curtains and she was too lazy

and

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
selfish to train the cat.

Phil has this curtain/drape thing which he keeps repeating but which has

no

Post by Cathy Friedmann
truth - where he got it from has always been beyond me.
Cathy

Cathy you may recall that I declawed my cat Gnarly some 20 years ago, before
I knew what it was. I regret it deeply, but at the time I thought it was
necessary. I have always appreciated it that most people here have not held
it against me. You cannot be the same person now as you were then.

I am one of the most anti-declaw people I know. But I don't blame someone who
declawed in ignorance. Unfortunately most vets liken it to a simple manicure,
never telling the client that it's actually an amputation of the third phlanx
(last digit) of each toe, and the ensuing consequences.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[Mary]

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Mary
Cathy you may recall that I declawed my cat Gnarly some 20 years ago, before
I knew what it was. I regret it deeply, but at the time I thought it was
necessary. I have always appreciated it that most people here have not held
it against me. You cannot be the same person now as you were then.

I am one of the most anti-declaw people I know. But I don't blame someone who
declawed in ignorance. Unfortunately most vets liken it to a simple manicure,
never telling the client that it's actually an amputation of the third phlanx
(last digit) of each toe, and the ensuing consequences.

Lauren, you're right, they didn't explain it to me, they either thought
I knew or just wanted my money and didn't care. I was irresponsible
and had a short attention span (aka "young" at least that is what
it translated into for me) and did not look into it carefully. You
trust vets to heal, not hurt. So because of their greed and my
stupidity/irresponsibility, I allowed my cat to be mutilated. A terrible,
terrible thing, especially now that I have two whole cats. I know what
she was missing and why it changed her so much.

[PawsForThought]

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be

C&Ped -

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could

have

Post by Cathy Friedmann
put

Post by PawsForThought
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

Bingo. The terms you used are simple first-year anatomy and
physiology terms used in just about any college course. Sheesh! What
the hell is wrong with people?

Well gee there, lyn, why don't you explain what all the terms mean to us
"ignorant" people then. Oh, and no cheating now (as lyn furiously starts
googling) ;)
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[Mary]

Post by PawsForThought

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be

C&Ped -

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could

have

Post by Cathy Friedmann
put

Post by PawsForThought
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

Bingo. The terms you used are simple first-year anatomy and
physiology terms used in just about any college course. Sheesh! What
the hell is wrong with people?

Well gee there, lyn, why don't you explain what all the terms mean to us
"ignorant" people then. Oh, and no cheating now (as lyn furiously starts
googling) ;)
________

It's the "Geez what's WRONG with people that killed me." There's straight
flaming then there's the sneaky kind where you flame people for flaming.
It's hypocritical horseshit. But of course I would defend to the death
Lynn's right to spout it. Now let's see if we can get all the pathetic
cowards to jump on the Mary-bashing bandwagon again. :-)

lol

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail

will
be

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap

the

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then

causes

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material.

The

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move

in

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and

can't

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad

direction

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear

object

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually

multiple

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be

C&Ped -

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil could have

put

Post by PawsForThought
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

Bingo. The terms you used are simple first-year anatomy and
physiology terms used in just about any college course. Sheesh! What
the hell is wrong with people?
-L.

I never took Science courses in college. Had no need to - would've put me
behinfd the game in my major & minor.

Cathy

[Mary]

Post by DL Farnworth

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail

will
be

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to

enwrap

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.
the

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if

one

Post by DL Farnworth
end

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through

the

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action

then

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.
causes

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material.

The

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents

to

Post by DL Farnworth
move

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.
in

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in

position

Post by DL Farnworth
and

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.
can't

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad

direction

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear

object

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually

multiple

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Phil P.
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally". It appears to be

C&Ped -

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann
from what source?
Cathy

Yes, it would have been easier for people to understand if Phil

could

Post by DL Farnworth
have

Post by -L. :

Post by Phil P.
put

Post by PawsForThought
it in his own words rather than C&P.

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you are.

Bingo. The terms you used are simple first-year anatomy and
physiology terms used in just about any college course. Sheesh! What
the hell is wrong with people?
-L.

I never took Science courses in college. Had no need to - would've put me
behinfd the game in my major & minor.
Cathy

What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!
:-)

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Mary
What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!
:-)

Well, not in college.

Amazing, huh?

Cathy

[h***@betweentheknees.com]

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!
:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?
Cathy

Way back when I was a student "artsies" were scorned and were
considered to have a character flaw :-)

But I'm sure the feelings were mutual.

-mhd

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!
:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?
Cathy

Way back when I was a student "artsies" were scorned and were
considered to have a character flaw :-)

Well, I wouldn't say scorned - the school I went to had a strong Art dep't.,
but the people who were Art majors were instantly recognized around campus
by the tackle boxes they carried; I had a nice teal green one. ;-) Tackle
boxes worked well for one's smaller art supplies - brushes, pencils,
erasers, smudge tips, etc. Otoh, I was once told that I didn't look ilike
an Art major - that I didn't have frizzy hair out to there, & didn't look
overly "artsy". Too conventional/mainstream looking, I guess... ;-)

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
But I'm sure the feelings were mutual.
-mhd

At the school I went to, at the time I went, I don't *think* so... I never
thought that way, at least. To each their own interest & forte, right?
Otoh, Sophomore year I'd come back to the dorm room after doing an
assignment which involved drawing outside, & my room-mate who was a History
major would often be napping, "resting her eyes", after reading umpteen
chapters of text. Despite liking to read - in general, that always made me
feel lucky; my various art class assignments were usually *fun* - they could
be very challenging, but they were enjoyable. :-)

Cathy

[h***@betweentheknees.com]

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
Way back when I was a student "artsies" were scorned and were
considered to have a character flaw :-)

Well, I wouldn't say scorned - the school I went to had a strong Art dep't.,
but the people who were Art majors were instantly recognized around campus
by the tackle boxes they carried; I had a nice teal green one. ;-) Tackle
boxes worked well for one's smaller art supplies - brushes, pencils,
erasers, smudge tips, etc. Otoh, I was once told that I didn't look ilike
an Art major - that I didn't have frizzy hair out to there, & didn't look
overly "artsy". Too conventional/mainstream looking, I guess... ;-)

An artsy was anybody in English, Psych, Anthro etc not necessarily the
actual *arts*.

I went to a heavy Engineering and Computer Science oriented university
with very high admission standards for those faculties (due more to
limited seats than actual written policy). It wasn't about
appearances, it was about perceived intelligence.

However it was a friendly rivalry and good natured ribbing was all it
was really about.

mhd

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
Way back when I was a student "artsies" were scorned and were
considered to have a character flaw :-)

Well, I wouldn't say scorned - the school I went to had a strong Art dep't.,
but the people who were Art majors were instantly recognized around campus
by the tackle boxes they carried; I had a nice teal green one. ;-)

Tackle

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Cathy Friedmann
boxes worked well for one's smaller art supplies - brushes, pencils,
erasers, smudge tips, etc. Otoh, I was once told that I didn't look ilike
an Art major - that I didn't have frizzy hair out to there, & didn't look
overly "artsy". Too conventional/mainstream looking, I guess... ;-)

An artsy was anybody in English, Psych, Anthro etc not necessarily the
actual *arts*.

Ah, as in the Liberal Arts, then. And here I thought I had perhaps at some
point mentioned that I'd majored in Art, but forgotten. (Specifically,
majored in it for a year & a half, then switched to a major in El. Ed. w/ a
concentration in Art, due to shrinking teaching openings, acc. to the
Placement Office. Each district/bldg. needs more elem. teachers than it
does Art teachers!) Or that you had somehow - beyond me, how - divined it.
;-)

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
I went to a heavy Engineering and Computer Science oriented university
with very high admission standards for those faculties (due more to
limited seats than actual written policy). It wasn't about
appearances, it was about perceived intelligence.
However it was a friendly rivalry and good natured ribbing was all it
was really about.

No, I can't say that this sort of thing existed where I went to school,
unless I was simply unaware of it. But I don't think so... Probably
because I went to the college within the NYS University system whose
strength was its Arts dep't. Also, I don't know when you were in college -
but probably after me, considering that you took computer science courses!;
for me it was the late 60's - early 70's, & things in general had a
hippie-ish, with artsy (as in the fine Arts) "Happenings" sort of
orientation anyway...

Cathy

[h***@betweentheknees.com]

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Also, I don't know when you were in college -
but probably after me, considering that you took computer science courses!;

Uh, think punch cards and main frames :-) Waterloo was one of the
first computer science degrees (Math degrees in CS)in existence,
compared to schools that had departments under a science faculty.

Post by Cathy Friedmann
for me it was the late 60's - early 70's, & things in general had a
hippie-ish, with artsy (as in the fine Arts) "Happenings" sort of
orientation anyway...

http://campusactivism.org/displayresource.php?giRid=139&gsPhile=powertrip.pdf&giPhid=266

If you want a snapshot of what life was about at my school.

-mhd

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Also, I don't know when you were in college -
but probably after me, considering that you took computer science courses!;

Uh, think punch cards and main frames :-)

A little further back than I was thinking... I don't feel quite so old now.
;-)

Waterloo was one of the

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
first computer science degrees (Math degrees in CS)in existence,
compared to schools that had departments under a science faculty.

Post by Cathy Friedmann
for me it was the late 60's - early 70's, & things in general had a
hippie-ish, with artsy (as in the fine Arts) "Happenings" sort of
orientation anyway...

http://campusactivism.org/displayresource.php?giRid=139&gsPhile=powertrip.pdf&giPhid=266

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
If you want a snapshot of what life was about at my school.

I had a very quick look - yes, activism was pretty big, but even some of
that had a "Happening" sort of aura about it, IME.

Cathy

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
-mhd

[Mary]

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!
:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?
Cathy

Way back when I was a student "artsies" were scorned and were
considered to have a character flaw :-)
But I'm sure the feelings were mutual.

Heh. You engineer, you! I liked science and arts and all the 'ologies. But I
couldn't do math. My brain won't work when you bore it to death. In fact, it
often won't work anyway, ba-boom!

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Mary

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with

you?!!

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?
Cathy

Way back when I was a student "artsies" were scorned and were
considered to have a character flaw :-)
But I'm sure the feelings were mutual.

Heh. You engineer, you! I liked science and arts and all the 'ologies. But I
couldn't do math. My brain won't work when you bore it to death. In fact, it
often won't work anyway, ba-boom!

Whereas I did really well in Math in HS; I thought it was cool - so logical.
In fact, I was p*ssed off when they (NYS) cut the Math 12 Regents Final the
year I was a Senior; only a local exam was offered that year. Boo, hiss.

But the Sciences... not my favorites, by a long shot. I still don't know if
it's because my HS Science teacher was so abysmally poor, or if Science just
isn't really my thing. Probably a combo. (My HS Math teacher was
excellent; weird, but excellent.)

Cathy

[Mary]

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Whereas I did really well in Math in HS; I thought it was cool - so logical.

I bombed in HS but after someone characterized Math as just another kind of
language I was able to pass Trig in college. I actually changed my major
rather than take calculus, though.

Post by Cathy Friedmann
But the Sciences... not my favorites, by a long shot. I still don't know

if it's because my HS Science teacher was so abysmally poor, or if Science
just isn't really my thing. Probably a combo. (My HS Math teacher was

Post by Cathy Friedmann
excellent; weird, but excellent.)

I wish I had had a weird and great math teacher. Here is a secret: much of
why I love science is because I love the way the words roll off the tongue.
The rest is just a fascination with the mechanisms of living things. Right
down to the cellular level.

[h***@betweentheknees.com]

Post by Mary
Heh. You engineer, you! I liked science and arts and all the 'ologies. But I
couldn't do math. My brain won't work when you bore it to death. In fact, it
often won't work anyway, ba-boom!

I wasn't in engineering, I was in Math (CS). I liked it because I was
fundamentally lazy and just by listening and understanding instead of
madly scribbling away during a lecture I was able to reduce my study
load. Course requirements usually consisted of assignments instead of
papers and I switched courses the first week if I found out my
electives required a paper. I did take one Fine Arts course called
History Of Silent Cinema and that was a hoot. Night class lasting 3
hrs once weekly and quite often after a film showing we split during
the break to our favorite watering hole. Ironically but understandable
I almost failed it.

-mhd

[Mary]

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com

Post by Mary
Heh. You engineer, you! I liked science and arts and all the 'ologies. But I
couldn't do math. My brain won't work when you bore it to death. In fact, it
often won't work anyway, ba-boom!

I wasn't in engineering, I was in Math (CS).

Oooo! RUN AWAY, run away!! ;)

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
I liked it because I was fundamentally lazy and just by listening and

understanding instead of madly scribbling away during a lecture I was able
to reduce my study

Post by h***@betweentheknees.com
load.

Fascinating, aren't they--the differences between us at times? I loved
English for the same reason. I had to labor at math but got the verbal stuff
right away.

[Mary]

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!
:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?

No, I was just trying to be funny. :-P

Didn't you have to have a biology lab though, come to think of it? Or one of
those survey courses where you go from the amoeba to man?

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Mary

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with

you?!!

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Mary
:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?

No, I was just trying to be funny. :-P

Yeah, I knew, because of the smiley. So was I, but didn't add an
emoticon...

Post by Mary
Didn't you have to have a biology lab though, come to think of it? Or one of
those survey courses where you go from the amoeba to man?

Nope, not in college. I took Earth Science, Biology, & Chemistry in HS, but
no sciences after that, incl. college. I didn't need HS Physics for a
Science endorsement on my State Regents diploma, so I skipped Physics in my
Senior year. My HS Science teacher was none too good - & that's putting it
mildly; basically, the man couldn't teach. So I figured, why torture myself
if I don't have to? And didn't.

Cathy

[Mary]

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Nope, not in college. I took Earth Science, Biology, & Chemistry in HS,

but no sciences after that, incl. college. I didn't need HS Physics for a
Science endorsement on my State Regents diploma, so I skipped Physics in
mySenior year.

I'm envious. I majored in liberal arts undergrad and grad and had to take
biology survey courses and labs.

[MacCandace]

<< > What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!

:-)

Well, not in college.

Amazing, huh?

Cathy >>

Really?!?!? Cuz I have a BA in Art and I had to take 8 hrs. of Science (2
classes with labs) as well as Algebra and all kinds of other crap I didn't feel
I needed...


Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

[Mary]

Post by MacCandace
<< > What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!

:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?
Cathy >>
Really?!?!? Cuz I have a BA in Art and I had to take 8 hrs. of Science (2
classes with labs) as well as Algebra and all kinds of other crap I didn't feel
I needed...

I think it is a question of differences in core requirements over the
years.

[MacCandace]

<< I think it is a question of differences in core requirements over the
years. >>

I dunno. Maybe it's school differences. I first started college in 1968
(Purdue University) but never finished. I finally graduated in 1992 from
Arizona State University. Both large state schools, credentialed by the same
institution (I can't remember the name of it, North Central blah blah blah, I
think) but both had the same sort of science and math requirements and,
conversely, the same sort of liberals arts requirements for people who were
majoring in science and math. In other words, both were big into providing a
"well-rounded" education regardless of major. The only thing I lucked out at
ASU over Purdue was I never had to take a speech class at ASU and it would have
been required at Purdue to graduate.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by MacCandace
<< I think it is a question of differences in core requirements over the
years. >>
I dunno. Maybe it's school differences. I first started college in 1968
(Purdue University) but never finished. I finally graduated in 1992 from
Arizona State University. Both large state schools, credentialed by the same
institution (I can't remember the name of it, North Central blah blah blah, I
think) but both had the same sort of science and math requirements and,
conversely, the same sort of liberals arts requirements for people who were
majoring in science and math. In other words, both were big into providing a
"well-rounded" education regardless of major. The only thing I lucked out at
ASU over Purdue was I never had to take a speech class at ASU and it would have
been required at Purdue to graduate.

You started the same year I did. I did have to take a Speech class - Public
Speaking, my first semester - ackkk!!! That was about the last thing on
earth I wanted to take, but had no choice. And, to top it off, the
instructor's name was Mr. Mello, except he was anything but mellow! But I
made it through okay, thank goodness; was exceedingly glad when that class
was over.

Cathy

[MacCandace]

<< You started the same year I did. I did have to take a Speech class - Public
Speaking, my first semester - ackkk!!! That was about the last thing on
earth I wanted to take, but had no choice. >>

Yeah, that was really one of the many reasons I quit Purdue; I didn't think I
could do that public speaking thing, I was horrified. Of course, one of the
other reasons was I was a major partyer back then and going to class cut into
my social schedule. Especially those 7:30 am ones. By the time I went to ASU,
I was working full time and the social aspects of college were behind me and it
was all about academics. It was actually kind of neat to have two such totally
different college experiences. And I was always pleased/relieved that in every
single class I ever took at ASU, there were always people my age or older in
the class. It was really a very nice experience being an older student and I
loved it.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by MacCandace
<< > What?! You never took science courses? What the hell is wrong with you?!!

:-)

Well, not in college.
Amazing, huh?
Cathy >>
Really?!?!? Cuz I have a BA in Art and I had to take 8 hrs. of Science (2
classes with labs) as well as Algebra and all kinds of other crap I didn't feel
I needed...

Yes, really. But so did I - take things I didn't think I needed, mostly as
a Freshman, before only Education & Art courses filled my schedule.
"Individual in Society" was one of those courses - which I was *hoping*
might be a combo of psychology & sociology. Ha! It turned out to be a very
dry (IMO!) European history course that focused on the French Revolution.

Cathy

[-L. :]

"Cathy Friedmann" <***@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<***@uni-berlin.de>...
<snip>

Post by Cathy Friedmann
I never took Science courses in college. Had no need to - would've put me
behinfd the game in my major & minor.
Cathy

Ok, fine. But you do have a dictionary, no? What's wrong with
learning something for a change?

http://www.m-w.com

-L.
<shaking head>

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by -L. :
<snip>

Post by Cathy Friedmann
I never took Science courses in college. Had no need to - would've put me
behinfd the game in my major & minor.
Cathy

Ok, fine. But you do have a dictionary, no? What's wrong with
learning something for a change?
http://www.m-w.com
-L.
<shaking head>

Now I'm shaking my head. Did you read my other 2 reply posts about this? I
explained that I first checked my own hard copy dictionary - "aboral" is not
in there. I then checked the very site for which you just provided a link,
& C=P-ed the definition into my reply post. In a later post, I said that
one can always learn new things via Usenet, incl. the meaning of the term
"aboral".

However, I think it would make a whole lot more sense if Phil (or anyone
else for that matter, but he's the one for whom this tends to apply) would
explain technical/medical terms in the posts, instead of leaving it up to
the readers to have to look up the vocab. in order to fully understand the
posts. Or better yet, paraphrase the texts from which he C&Ps. That would
take care of two things at once - guaranteed understanding & possible probs
re: copyright.

Cathy

[Priscilla Ballou]

Post by Cathy Friedmann
However, I think it would make a whole lot more sense if Phil (or anyone
else for that matter, but he's the one for whom this tends to apply) would
explain technical/medical terms in the posts, instead of leaving it up to
the readers to have to look up the vocab. in order to fully understand the
posts. Or better yet, paraphrase the texts from which he C&Ps. That would
take care of two things at once - guaranteed understanding & possible probs
re: copyright.

That's a key element of good writing -- making the content accessible to
the target readership.

It is, however, hard to do if you don't know what you're talking about.

Priscilla

[-L. :]

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by -L. :
<snip>

Post by Cathy Friedmann
I never took Science courses in college. Had no need to - would've put

me

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann
behinfd the game in my major & minor.
Cathy

Ok, fine. But you do have a dictionary, no? What's wrong with
learning something for a change?
http://www.m-w.com
-L.
<shaking head>

Now I'm shaking my head. Did you read my other 2 reply posts about this?

No, I didn't. Once these threads start I rarely read the responses or
the entire thread.

Post by Cathy Friedmann
I
explained that I first checked my own hard copy dictionary - "aboral" is not
in there. I then checked the very site for which you just provided a link,
& C=P-ed the definition into my reply post. In a later post, I said that
one can always learn new things via Usenet, incl. the meaning of the term
"aboral".

Glad to hear it. But the definition can be also inferred from the
root words - (ab-) and (oral).

Post by Cathy Friedmann
However, I think it would make a whole lot more sense if Phil (or anyone
else for that matter, but he's the one for whom this tends to apply) would
explain technical/medical terms in the posts, instead of leaving it up to
the readers to have to look up the vocab. in order to fully understand the
posts.

Why? Why does someone with a large vocabulary have to dumb themselves
down to 6th grade level? The fact that someone replies at all should
be favor enough.

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Or better yet, paraphrase the texts from which he C&Ps.

You are assuming he is C&Ping. I don't assume Phil C&P's. Phil's not
dumb, especially WRT cats. I don't agree with everything Phil says
and I have been in a row with him myself, but I respect him enough to
take what he says at face value. I just think your nit picking his
use of more technical words serves no purpose and is petty. If you
don't understand a word, look it up. That's elementary.

Post by Cathy Friedmann
That would
take care of two things at once - guaranteed understanding & possible probs
re: copyright.
Cathy

I agree that anything taken from a source should be properly cited,
and I do cite any references I use, as should anyone.

-L.

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by -L. :
<snip>

Post by Cathy Friedmann
I never took Science courses in college. Had no need to - would've put

me

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann
behinfd the game in my major & minor.
Cathy

Ok, fine. But you do have a dictionary, no? What's wrong with
learning something for a change?
http://www.m-w.com
-L.
<shaking head>

Now I'm shaking my head. Did you read my other 2 reply posts about this?

No, I didn't. Once these threads start I rarely read the responses or
the entire thread.

Post by Cathy Friedmann
I
explained that I first checked my own hard copy dictionary - "aboral" is not
in there. I then checked the very site for which you just provided a link,
& C=P-ed the definition into my reply post. In a later post, I said that
one can always learn new things via Usenet, incl. the meaning of the term
"aboral".

Glad to hear it. But the definition can be also inferred from the
root words - (ab-) and (oral).

I see it now; but at the time the closest I was coming up with was
"arboreal", which made zilch sense in that context.

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann
However, I think it would make a whole lot more sense if Phil (or anyone
else for that matter, but he's the one for whom this tends to apply) would
explain technical/medical terms in the posts, instead of leaving it up to
the readers to have to look up the vocab. in order to fully understand the
posts.

Why? Why does someone with a large vocabulary have to dumb themselves
down to 6th grade level? The fact that someone replies at all should
be favor enough.

This is a person who has stated umpteen times that all he cares about is
that he helps out the cats. If that is his goal, then the cats' caregivers
have to fully understand what he's talking about, or else it's for naught.

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Or better yet, paraphrase the texts from which he C&Ps.

You are assuming he is C&Ping. I don't assume Phil C&P's.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. In this case, it was pretty suspicious; very
suspiciously worded, IMO. [And, as added insight, there was large to-do
over his website maybe 3 years (a guess) ago - people'd cottoned on to the
fact that he'd lifted stuff from other sources and had C&Ped it directly
into his site, w/out giving credit to the sources. AFAIK, he eventually
capitulated, & added the credits.]

Phil's not

Post by -L. :
dumb, especially WRT cats. I don't agree with everything Phil says
and I have been in a row with him myself, but I respect him enough to
take what he says at face value.

No, I don't think he's dumb, either - not in the intellectual sense, at any
rate. However, I don't take his word at face value. At the bottom of it: I
don't trust him. He's lacking in integrity, IMO, & is mercurial. I can
often compartmentalize, & not let one aspect influence another, but in his
case.... nope.

I would trust th I just think your nit picking his

Post by -L. :
use of more technical words serves no purpose and is petty. If you
don't understand a word, look it up. That's elementary.

I don't think it's nit-picking or petty; it's simply common sense.

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann
That would
take care of two things at once - guaranteed understanding & possible probs
re: copyright.
Cathy

I agree that anything taken from a source should be properly cited,
and I do cite any references I use, as should anyone.
-L.

Hey, agreed on something.

Cathy

[Steve G]

(...)

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann
& C=P-ed the definition into my reply post. In a later post, I said that
one can always learn new things via Usenet, incl. the meaning of the term
"aboral".

Glad to hear it. But the definition can be also inferred from the
root words - (ab-) and (oral).

What about abseil or abrade...?

(...)

Post by -L. :
Why? Why does someone with a large vocabulary have to dumb themselves
down to 6th grade level?

Phenomologically, extraneous verbosity hinders the cogitation of
linguistic nonchalants. Such sere machinations are jejune, a
cacophonous tintinnabulation; alas for select individuals they are a
leitmotiv, void of refulgence.


Anyway, let us all be glad that this topic merely dealt with linear
foreign bodies. If 'twere a non-Euclidean foreign body then who knows
what sort of fearsome flames would fly.

S.

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Steve G
(...)

Post by -L. :

Post by Cathy Friedmann
& C=P-ed the definition into my reply post. In a later post, I said that
one can always learn new things via Usenet, incl. the meaning of the term
"aboral".

Glad to hear it. But the definition can be also inferred from the
root words - (ab-) and (oral).

What about abseil or abrade...?
(...)

Post by -L. :
Why? Why does someone with a large vocabulary have to dumb themselves
down to 6th grade level?

Phenomologically, extraneous verbosity hinders the cogitation

Alan Greenspan comes to mind. ;-)

of

Post by Steve G
linguistic nonchalants.

Ah, but my linguistic nonchalantness (is that even a word??!) can be a tad
selective... re: technical terminology. Can "nonchalant" really be used as
a noun, btw?

Post by Steve G
Such sere machinations are jejune, a
cacophonous tintinnabulation; alas for select individuals they are a
leitmotiv, void of refulgence.

Save for this witty post, right? ;-D

Cathy

[Phil P.]

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail will

be

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap

the

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then

causes

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material. The
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to move in
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and

can't

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad direction
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear object
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually multiple
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally".

...and you say you're a teacher? LOL! I sure feel sorry for your students.

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Laura R.

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
Most definitely won't. If the kitten ate the tail, then the tail will

be

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
inside the kitten's intestine. There's no way for the tail to enwrap

the

Post by Phil P.

Post by mango
kitten's intestine from the inside.

That is absolutely not true.
Linear foreign bodies usually become snagged at the pylorus if one end
bunches up in the stomach. Eventually the free end moves through the
pylorus and unfurls in the small intestine. Peristaltic action then

causes

Post by Phil P.
the intestine to become pleated or clumped around the material. The
pleating occurs because peristalsis causes the gut and contents to

move

Post by Laura R.
in

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.
opposite directions. The linear foreign body is fixed in position and

can't

Post by Phil P.
move aborally. As a result, the intestine must slide in an orad

direction

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.
over the string until it eventually forms a clump. The taut linear

object

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.
abrades the wall of the pleated intestinal loops until eventually

multiple

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.
intestinal perfora­tions develop and peritonitis occurs.
Phil

Well, this was certainly a thorough explanation - not that all of us
understand "pylorus", peristalsis", or "aborally".

Whoops - I missed "orad" the first time! ;-Þ

Post by Laura R.
...and you say you're a teacher? LOL! I sure feel sorry for your students.

Right; (said facetiously) those terms are needed for the average person
who's not involved in a medical/science field, & for one who teaches 7 - 9
year olds. They're in our everyday, general vocab. Yeah, right. Hello??
As an example, "aboral" isn't even in my home dictionary. It jumps from "à
bon marché" (which, BTW, I do happen to know) to "aboriginal". I looked
"aboral" up on-line, via the M-W dictionary site:

"Main Entry: ab·oral
Pronunciation: (")a-'bOr-&l, -'bor-
Function: adjective
: situated opposite to or away from the mouth <a sea urchin's aboral
surface>
- ab·oral·ly /-&-lE/ adverb"

Would you, off the top of your head, understand what was going to happen if
I told you that it was recommended that a child go through the CST because
PDD - or a similar condition - was suspected; that this situation should be
thoroughly checked out, in order to help out the child? Then, pending what
sort of results testing indicated, quite possibly they'd then go through
the CSE, and that the staff involved in the CSE meeting would work together
w/ the parent(s) to determine if a 540 plan, Resource, or even a 12-1-1
placement would be the best option for the child, & an IEP would then be
drawn up; would you know what to expect? A different & less involved (at
least initially) scenario: if you were asked to fill out a Connor's Scale,
would you automatically understand the probable rationale for the request?
Or would it help if you looked up the education-specific terminology first,
or even better - if the person/people giving you all of this info explained
it all as they went along? Well, imagine that!

Are you going to give a cite/credit, for that passage that you apparently
lifted?? Most people give a link &/or author's name, then put the lifted
stuff in quotes. Most.

Cathy

(How did I manage to escape out of your killfile? Using the other computer
again, maybe? Never mind, you don't have to answer; conversations w/ you
tend to go nowhere, except downhill.)

[Phil P.]

"Cathy Friedmann" <***@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:***@uni-berlin.de...
<babble snipped due to lack of interest>

Post by Cathy Friedmann
(How did I manage to escape out of your killfile? Using the other computer
again, maybe?

Yep. Although I was very amused to see you're still obsessed with replying
to my posts... even though you've been in my killfile for *6* years! LOL!

Never mind, you don't have to answer; conversations w/ you

Post by Cathy Friedmann
tend to go nowhere, except downhill.)

Then why do you relentlessly attempt to start conversations with me, huh?
LOL! Never mind, you don't have to answer; I realize you're simply
obsessed.

Your five minutes for this year are up.

[Cathy Friedmann]

<snipped>

Post by Phil P.
even though you've been in my killfile for *6* years! LOL!

Ummm... check your math: this is impossible, since you didn't show up here
(w/ the infamous Phoenix Rising) till sometime in '99. And, you were
answering some posts (actually being helpful, to me!) concerning the
consistency of Debbie's food during her late-stage CRF in the early summer
of '01. It's possible you were rdg. my '01 posts through others' replies -
I don't remember, but the former just doesn't jive w/ 6 years.

Cathy

[Phil P.]

Post by Cathy Friedmann
<snipped>

Post by Phil P.
even though you've been in my killfile for *6* years! LOL!

Ummm... check your math: this is impossible, since you didn't show up here
(w/ the infamous Phoenix Rising) till sometime in '99.

What a silly twit! So it was 5 1/2 years! Big difference!LOL! The point is
still the
same. You kept replying to my posts even though its patently obvious I
killfiled you after I realized you were a silly bimbo - I see you haven't
changed. Even though I didn't respond to your silly posts for years, you
kept foolishly whining away responding to mine... and you're *still* at it!
ROTFL!

I was hysterical laughing yesterday when I saw you were *still* replying to
my posts after all these years! ROTFL! Do you have a obsessive/compulsive
disorder or are you just a prize fool as well as a silly twit?

I set up the killfile on this computer so you're back in the bozo bin but
I'll bet you'll *still* reply to this post, too! I don't think you can help
yourself. Come on, now, show everybody what a foolish twit you really are!
I know you can't resist! Go ahead, hit that send button!ROTFL!

You got another 3 minutes because you gave me a good laugh!

[Willee]

Post by Phil P.
What a silly twit! So it was 5 1/2 years! Big difference!LOL! The point is
still the
same. You kept replying to my posts even though its patently obvious I
killfiled you after I realized you were a silly bimbo - I see you haven't
changed. Even though I didn't respond to your silly posts for years, you
kept foolishly whining away responding to mine... and you're *still* at it!
ROTFL!
I was hysterical laughing yesterday when I saw you were *still* replying to
my posts after all these years! ROTFL! Do you have a

obsessive/compulsive

Post by Phil P.
disorder or are you just a prize fool as well as a silly twit?
I set up the killfile on this computer so you're back in the bozo bin but
I'll bet you'll *still* reply to this post, too! I don't think you can help
yourself. Come on, now, show everybody what a foolish twit you really are!
I know you can't resist! Go ahead, hit that send button!ROTFL!
You got another 3 minutes because you gave me a good laugh!

This post was made by either a psycho or a underdeveloped 10 year old child.
Which are you Phil P?

[Mary]

Post by Willee
This post was made by either a psycho or a underdeveloped 10 year old child.
Which are you Phil P?

What's funny is, he is neither, and he has really good information to share.
He just has a quick trigger finger when he's dealing with someone he's got
Usenet baggage with--as many of us do. I think we should form a club. The
kind I wouldn't want to belong to if they wanted me for a member. :)

Rude? Sure. Unwarranted? Very likely. But the good news is, everybody gets
to have his or her say. Including you. You get to click on past Phil's posts
too if you want to, though I would not recommend it if you have a sick cat.
If I'm not in the mood for the flame threads I just watch which ones are
developing and click on by. It's a lot easier than trying to shut people up
because you don't like their tone, what they are saying, the way the say it,
ad nauseum.

Or, if that is too hard you can do as Karen says she does and run away from
the whole group the minute a flame thread begins. Sigh. Freedom, ain't it
the bomb?

[Laura R.]

circa Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:13:13 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,

Post by Willee

Post by Willee
This post was made by either a psycho or a underdeveloped 10 year old

child.

Post by Willee
Which are you Phil P?

What's funny is, he is neither, and he has really good information to share.
He just has a quick trigger finger when he's dealing with someone he's got
Usenet baggage with--as many of us do. I think we should form a club. The
kind I wouldn't want to belong to if they wanted me for a member. :)

Phil is a psychopath. You've just not seen him in action and he
deletes his posts from the archives whenever he goes off on one of
his sociopathic, misogynist binges. The man is seriously, seriously
mentally ill. It's not just Netwarrior posing; he is truly sick. And
I'm talking about _real_life_ here, not just Usenet.

Please do not defend his rabidity; some of us have seen it too many
times for too many years to not find it nauseating when somebody who
doesn't yet know how ill he truly is jumps in to defend him.

I like you, Mary, truly. But on this one, it is my very strong belief
that you've formed some opinions without benefit of sufficient
evidence.

And now, since Phil will undoubtedly produce another of his "LOL"-
peppered freakshows in retaliation for my daring to express the truth
about him (and oh, there is *so* much more to it than this), it is
time for me to take a vacation from this place. Whenever Phil rears
his foaming-at-the-mouth head in these parts, things invariably go to
hell in short order.

Laura

[Cathy Friedmann]

Post by Laura R.
And now, since Phil will undoubtedly produce another of his "LOL"-
peppered freakshows in retaliation for my daring to express the truth
about him (and oh, there is *so* much more to it than this), it is
time for me to take a vacation from this place. Whenever Phil rears
his foaming-at-the-mouth head in these parts, things invariably go to
hell in short order.
Laura

Perhaps no need to vacate. Maybe you've seen it by now, but in another
post - near here in this thread someplace, he says he's going to disappear
again. :-)

Cathy

[PawsForThought]

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Laura R.
And now, since Phil will undoubtedly produce another of his "LOL"-
peppered freakshows in retaliation for my daring to express the truth
about him (and oh, there is *so* much more to it than this), it is
time for me to take a vacation from this place. Whenever Phil rears
his foaming-at-the-mouth head in these parts, things invariably go to
hell in short order.
Laura

Perhaps no need to vacate. Maybe you've seen it by now, but in another
post - near here in this thread someplace, he says he's going to disappear
again. :-)
Cathy

Guess it must be time for him to return to the asylum :)

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

[Mary]

Post by PawsForThought

Post by Cathy Friedmann

Post by Laura R.
And now, since Phil will undoubtedly produce another of his "LOL"-
peppered freakshows in retaliation for my daring to express the truth
about him (and oh, there is *so* much more to it than this), it is
time for me to take a vacation from this place. Whenever Phil rears
his foaming-at-the-mouth head in these parts, things invariably go to
hell in short order.
Laura

Perhaps no need to vacate. Maybe you've seen it by now, but in another
post - near here in this thread someplace, he says he's going to disappear
again. :-)
Cathy

Guess it must be time for him to return to the asylum :)
Lauren

And yet, he was the only one here who took the time to explain the details
of Buddha's illness to me, and didn't get nasty even when I was being stupid
and dense. Even if he is a lunatic, as you and others say, he sure did help
me. More than anyone else here. I'm appreciative because I love my cats. I
don't want Phil to shut up.

[Sherry]

Post by Mary
And yet, he was the only one here who took the time to explain the details
of Buddha's illness to me, and didn't get nasty even when I was being stupid
and dense. Even if he is a lunatic, as you and others say, he sure did help
me. More than anyone else here. I'm appreciative because I love my cats. I
don't want Phil to shut up.

I gotta agree with Mary. Phil has been tremendous help to me in the past, and I
know without a doubt he'd go above and beyond for anybody personally, to
provide them the information they asked for. It's up to us what we do with that
information, but *having* it puts us ahead of the game. If he's a lunatic, he's
probably the most helpful lunatic around when the going gets tough. So what if
the terminology is too deep for me. I'd ask him to explain it via e-mail so I
didn't look so stupid on the board, and he'd do it. Lots of people don't like
my personality either. Go figure. :-)
Sherry

[Cat Protector]

Ok. When will the fighting stop on here? It seems we have had another
innocent subject that has fallen by the wayside because a select group of
individuals decide to have a flame war. I have been a member of many cat
related boards and none are half as bad as this one because of the flames.
Sure a few of them have their troublemakers but this newsgroup has gone way
downhill. When I first joined (yes this was several years ago) many were
helpful and we actually could discuss cats without the threat of flame wars.
Why can't we just be peaceful here? I haven't posted much here lately
because innocent subjects seem to be picked apart by people who have nothing
better to do than bash others.

For those who are looking for friendly cat boards and places to discuss cats
here are a couple that have tossed away the flame wars.

Cat Fancy Message Board: http://www.catfancy.com/anforum/

There are plenty of feline topics to choose from. I found this one to be a
somewhat friendly community and don't see too many fights.

Cat Galaxy Forum- http://www.catgalaxymedia.com/phpBB2/

So far there have been only a few posts here and there because the forum was
moved and re-designed. All cats and cat lovers are welcome.

There are a few others which I am looking at. Both of the ones are moderated
which might not be such a bad thing considering flame wars can be knocked
down quite a bit on those boards. If you are sick of the flame wars here
then maybe these might be the better option.

[Mary]

Post by Cat Protector
Ok. When will the fighting stop on here?

Shut up, stupid.


:-)

[Cat Protector]

This is exactly what I am talking about. Name calling, flame wars and other
nasty stuff. When will it end?

Post by Mary
Shut up, stupid.

[-L. :]

Post by Sherry

Post by Mary
And yet, he was the only one here who took the time to explain the details
of Buddha's illness to me, and didn't get nasty even when I was being stupid
and dense. Even if he is a lunatic, as you and others say, he sure did help
me. More than anyone else here. I'm appreciative because I love my cats. I
don't want Phil to shut up.

I gotta agree with Mary. Phil has been tremendous help to me in the past, and I
know without a doubt he'd go above and beyond for anybody personally, to
provide them the information they asked for. It's up to us what we do with that
information, but *having* it puts us ahead of the game. If he's a lunatic, he's
probably the most helpful lunatic around when the going gets tough. So what if
the terminology is too deep for me. I'd ask him to explain it via e-mail so I
didn't look so stupid on the board, and he'd do it. Lots of people don't like
my personality either. Go figure. :-)
Sherry

Bingo. :) Couldn't agree more.

-L.

[Mary]

Post by Laura R.
circa Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:13:13 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,

Post by Willee

Post by Willee
This post was made by either a psycho or a underdeveloped 10 year old

child.

Post by Willee
Which are you Phil P?

Phil is a psychopath. You've just not seen him in action

Yes I have. He is the one who explained to me in depth what the issues are
with Buddha and her thyroid condition. And he hung in there when I was being
dense.
I remember the last time he went ballistic and I really don't care. When I
needed help he helped. Much more than anyone else.

As far as I am concerned, there are no "camps" in here. As far as your or
anyone else's "taking off" from the group, well, do what makes you
comfortable. I'm interested in the communication this technology makes
possible. I'm much more concerned that nobody be censored than that anyone
leave due to real or imagined offense. It's not a private social group, it's
Usenet, for Chrissakes. I don't need you or anyone else to like me. I just
need you to contribute when you want to and otherwise stay out of the way of
those who do. Psychos or not.

[Cat Protector]

That is definately the pot calling the kettle black here.

Post by Laura R.
Please do not defend his rabidity; some of us have seen it too many
times for too many years to not find it nauseating when somebody who
doesn't yet know how ill he truly is jumps in to defend him.
I like you, Mary, truly. But on this one, it is my very strong belief
that you've formed some opinions without benefit of sufficient
evidence.
And now, since Phil will undoubtedly produce another of his "LOL"-
peppered freakshows in retaliation for my daring to express the truth
about him (and oh, there is *so* much more to it than this), it is
time for me to take a vacation from this place. Whenever Phil rears
his foaming-at-the-mouth head in these parts, things invariably go to
hell in short order.
Laura
--
You can't teach an old dogma new tricks.
-Dorothy Parker

[Phil P.]

Post by Laura R.
circa Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:13:13 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,

Post by Willee

Post by Willee
This post was made by either a psycho or a underdeveloped 10 year old

child.

Post by Willee
Which are you Phil P?

What's funny is, he is neither, and he has really good information to share.
He just has a quick trigger finger when he's dealing with someone he's got
Usenet baggage with--as many of us do. I think we should form a club. The
kind I wouldn't want to belong to if they wanted me for a member. :)

Phil is a psychopath.

Ain't that a hoot coming from a classic textbook example of a hair
trigger, schizophrenic psychopath!


You've just not seen him in action and he

Post by Laura R.
deletes his posts from the archives

LOL! That's funny too, since you x-archive your posts to hide the
pattern of your psychosis all over Usenet!


whenever he goes off on one of

Post by Laura R.
his sociopathic, misogynist binges.

"Misogynist", again LOL! Hey bimbo, haven't you noticed the group
consists of ~98% females? Hasn't it dawned on your psychotic mind that
I would logically have proportionately more arguments with females than
males? Proportionately, I've probably had more arguments with men than
I've had with women. So, your lame attempt of trying to turn this into a
sexist thing ain't working.

I think your "gyn" has a pathological hatred of "guy"! LOL! I think you
must have been hurt by a man and never got over it or you lost a job or
promotion to a man... or maybe guys don't want anything to do with your
gyn and you can't handle the rejection! LOL!

Post by Laura R.
I'm talking about _real_life_ here, not just Usenet.

You're not only a schizophrenic psychopath, you're also a pathological
liar. You don't know anything about my real life. I'm in a much higher
echelon that you couldn't possibly know anything about!

You're another one who holds a grudge because I corrected your erroneous
information a few times. Can't handle being corrected and out-gunned by
a man, eh, psycho? Better get used to it because I intend to take a
real personal interest in your posts.

[Mary]

Post by Laura R.
The man is seriously, seriously
mentally ill. It's not just Netwarrior posing; he is truly sick. And I'm

talking about _real_life_ here, not just Usenet.
I've been thinking about this claim, Laura. Upon what do you base it? That
Phil is seriously mentally ill? Please elaborate. The way you phrase it
above, it sounds like you have reason to believe this aside from his Usenet
postings. If this is so, then you need to contact someone who can help him,
right? Or someone does.

Second, what do you mean when you say you are talking about "real life"
here? Has Phil threatened you, called you, stalked you, written you letters,
contacted your boss, WHAT? If he has, you need to have him tracked down and
prosecuted. Those things are against the law. If NOT all you are saying is
that you don't like what he has posted to Usenet. And in that case, all you
are doing is attempting to censor him. Worse, your claim that he has done
something "in real life" to harm you or others is an attempt to smear him.

For the record, I don't like the nasty shit he has posted in here either,
but I do like the helpful stuff. Just as some people don't like the nasty
stuff I post when I get p*ssed. And just like these same people haven't got
a chance in the world of silencing me, you don't have a chance of silencing
Phil unless he is breaking the law in some way. If he is, go get him.

[Phil P.]

Post by Laura R.

Post by Laura R.
The man is seriously, seriously
mentally ill. It's not just Netwarrior posing; he is truly sick. And I'm

talking about _real_life_ here, not just Usenet.
I've been thinking about this claim, Laura. Upon what do you base it?

Delusions and desperation. I'd really like to see her answer to that!
Hey, maybe she's been stalking me and I don't know about it! LOL!


Worse, your claim that he has done

Post by Laura R.
something "in real life" to harm you or others is an attempt to smear him.

You hit the nail on the head. She obviously can't attack my information
so she jumps on every opportunity to denigrate me. I really think she
has a serious problem with men - especially men who correct her and
out-gun her (in knowledge and experience) since I'm not the only man
she's called a "misogynist".

Post by Laura R.
For the record, I don't like the nasty shit he has posted in here either,

I don't like my manners either, they're pretty bad. I grieve over them
on long winter nights. :) But if you notice, I generally don't fire the
first shot - as you can see in this thread.

You gotta laugh at her and her little dysfunctional mob; they f*ck with
the bull then whine and complain and try to make me the bad guy when
they get the horns!

Post by Laura R.
but I do like the helpful stuff.

That's what she really resents! She's really incensed and infuriated
especially when people direct a post or a question to me specifically.


Btw, How's Buddha?

Phil

[Phil P.]

Post by Laura R.
circa Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:13:13 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
I'm talking about _real_life_ here, not just Usenet.

<snip>

Well, sleaze, when are you going to tell us all about my "real life".
Everyone is waiting -
especially my lawyer. Its
time to back it up and face the consequences.

I interpret your statement as *stalking* which
gives me the authority to have you tracked down and investigated "for my
protection". I think I can afford it - but you already know that since you
know all about my "real life", now don't you?


it is

Post by Laura R.
time for me to take a vacation from this place.

<snip>

That's right you sleazy, psychopathic liar, make a accusation that you can't
back up then run away and slither back under your rock. You can run but you
can't hide.

You fuck with me outside of Usenet, bimbo, and I'll make you wish you died
as a child. Since you know all about my real life, you know I walk it like
I talk it.

[Phil P.]

Post by Phil P.

Post by Phil P.
What a silly twit! So it was 5 1/2 years! Big difference!LOL! The point

is

Post by Phil P.
still the
same. You kept replying to my posts even though its patently obvious I
killfiled you after I realized you were a silly bimbo - I see you haven't
changed. Even though I didn't respond to your silly posts for years, you
kept foolishly whining away responding to mine... and you're *still* at

it!

Post by Phil P.
ROTFL!
I was hysterical laughing yesterday when I saw you were *still* replying

to

Post by Phil P.
my posts after all these years! ROTFL! Do you have a

obsessive/compulsive

Post by Phil P.
disorder or are you just a prize fool as well as a silly twit?
I set up the killfile on this computer so you're back in the bozo bin but
I'll bet you'll *still* reply to this post, too! I don't think you can

help

Post by Phil P.
yourself. Come on, now, show everybody what a foolish twit you really

are!

Post by Phil P.
I know you can't resist! Go ahead, hit that send button!ROTFL!
You got another 3 minutes because you gave me a good laugh!

This post was made by either a psycho or a underdeveloped 10 year old child.
Which are you Phil P?

I haven't had time to think about it; I've been busy trying to figure
out if you're a product of Kentucky backwoods inbreeding or if you're
just a jerk. I'll have to get back to you.

[Cathy Friedmann]

A brief follow-up of an explanation of the terminology in my post, for those
who may be interested. ;-) Otherwise, just skip it; no prob. I've found
that one can learn all sorts of things on Usenet - often unexpectedly (incl.
the word "aboral"!).

(If you are an educator or a parent whose child has gone through the sort of
processes I mentioned, or a health care worker who deals with school-age
kids, you're already familiar w/ them.)

CST = Child Study Team; keeps tabs on how children who appear to be 'at
risk' are doing; meets on a weekly basis. Parents of the children being
discussed are invited to attend the meetings for their children.

CSE = Committee on Special Education; If a child is going to be placed in
Resource, for example, they need to go through the CSE. However, even a
child who simply attends speech therapy goes through the CSE. Parents are
encouraged to attend the meetings.

540, Resource = differing degrees of extra support for a child who is
struggling for one reason or another, on either a pull-out or push-in (of
the classroom) basis; small group or 1-on-1. (These are in different
categories than Title I Reading or Math placements.)

12-1-1 = a classroom which has the ratio of a max of 12 students per 1
teacher & 1 aide.

IEP = Individualized Education Plan; a long-range lesson plan - a set of
goals to be met, custom-written for each student who's gone through the CSE.
Besides educ. goals, may include test modifications (extra time, alternate
location, etc.) If a 1-on-1 aide is required for the child, OT &/or PT,
Speech, etc., they're stipulated in the IEP.

PDD = Pervasive Developmental Disorder; one of the high-functioning forms of
autism

Connor's Scale = a rating system of the observations of different facets of
the child's behavior which is used - along w/ other data - to help diagnose
Attention Deficit Disorder, whether ADD or ADHD, or a combo. The teachers &
parents of the child concerned fill it out.

Cathy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Post by Cathy Friedmann
Would you, off the top of your head, understand what was going to happen if
I told you that it was recommended that a child go through the CST because
PDD - or a similar condition - was suspected; that this situation should be
thoroughly checked out, in order to help out the child? Then, pending what
sort of results testing indicated, quite possibly they'd then go through
the CSE, and that the staff involved in the CSE meeting would work together
w/ the parent(s) to determine if a 540 plan, Resource, or even a 12-1-1
placement would be the best option for the child, & an IEP would then be
drawn up; would you know what to expect? A different & less involved (at
least initially) scenario: if you were asked to fill out a Connor's Scale,
would you automatically understand the probable rationale for the request?
Or would it help if you looked up the education-specific terminology first,
or even better - if the person/people giving you all of this info explained
it all as they went along? Well, imagine that!

[Cat Protector]

If it is one of those seemingly smooth leather immitation type tails (that's
the best way I can describe it. Felt might also be the closest material
used) I wouldn't worry too much. My Isis is netorius for biting off those
tails. No doubt she has probably swallowed them. Since it is really small
she seems to be able to digest it without a problem. If you are still
concerned then I'd talk to a vet.

Post by Morac
I just adopted 2 kittens and the people at the sheltor said they liked
toy mice so I picked out some with their help. The toy mice are only
about 1.5 inches long, but they have a 2.5 inch by 1/8 inch flat tail.
Well I saw one of them playing with the toy mouse and picking it up
and carrying it around. It seemed to be holding up and the other one
needed my attention so I stepped away for about a minute. I came back
and my other kitten was now under the bed playing with a tailless
mouse!
I couldn't find the tail so I assume the kitten ate it. Like I said
it's flat, 2.5 inches long and around an 1/8 of an inch wide. It
seems to be made of a tough leather-like material.
I called a 24 hour animal emergency center and they told me to watch
for vomitting or if it stops eating. That would seem to indicate that
it isn't immediately life threatening.
The kitten is already suffering from diarrhea as it is (will this help
or harm?). Is there something else I can do to help the kitten pass
the tail? Should I confine the kitten to the litterbox area to
prevent vomitting elsewhere?
I was already planning on taking them to a vet as soon as I found one.
Should I rush and make an appointment and is there anything a vet
could do?